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Culturing/Fermenting and Apple Cider Vinegar

Postby heartsayer on Thu May 03, 2012 2:07 pm

I met with a friend who taught me how to culture vegetables but after doing some of my own research I think she may not understand the culturing process.

She guided me to 1) fill the glass jars with an assortment of chopped veggies 2) fill the jars half full with unpasteurized apple cider vinegar with some freshly squeezed lemon juice 3) fill the remaining half with water 4) add salt and shake up

In the internet research I did, NOWHERE did I find anybody suggesting to use apple cider vinegar to culture vegatables. We also did not add any kind of starter culture.

Are my jars of veggies going to ferment properly? and if not, is there any way of saving them?

Thanks for any advice!
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Re: Culturing/Fermenting and Apple Cider Vinegar

Postby heartsayer on Thu May 03, 2012 3:33 pm

I forgot to mention that 1tsp of sugar was added to each jar.
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Re: Culturing/Fermenting and Apple Cider Vinegar

Postby aldo18567 on Tue May 08, 2012 3:48 am

Now I'm interested in the properties of vinegar. Thanks for sharing this.
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Re: Culturing/Fermenting and Apple Cider Vinegar

Postby heartsayer on Mon May 14, 2012 8:12 pm

I did find out that apple cider vinegar is a prebiotic which is good food for probiotics. However, I have also heard of people sanitizing their stinky shoes with apple cider vinegar because it kills the bacteria...
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Re: Culturing/Fermenting and Apple Cider Vinegar

Postby panorama on Tue May 15, 2012 12:47 am

No one scientist did not prove any special healthy influence of apple vinegar. Same as other industrial produced alcohol vinegars. I produced every year about 20 liters of apple vinegar, uisng my own non-sprayed apples. Fermenting with such kind of winegar is the same as with any other from market.
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Re: Culturing/Fermenting and Apple Cider Vinegar

Postby heartsayer on Tue May 15, 2012 1:10 pm

From Pickl-it.com

Can I use Bragg's "raw" vinegar in my brine?
The short answer is: “no”.

Lactic acid is the dominant acid created by lactic-acid bacteria, during fermentation. Although acetic acid (vinegar) is also created, the proper ratio of lactic:acetic acids needs to be in a 4:1 ratio.

Adding Bragg’s to a lacto-fermentation brine, disrupts that ratio, throwing the lacto-fermentation out of balance! The lactic-acid bacteria will be stunted, unable to develop the correct texture, flavor, or natural-preservative qualities that are desirable in lacto-fermentation.

The only reason to add Bragg’s is if the flavor is desired. Some people, for example, will mix a 50/50 solution of Bragg’s ACV with sugar, creating a sweet and sour mixture, which they pour on sliced, lacto-fermented pickles, to create a “butter” pickle for use on hamburgers and sandwiches.

There’s no need to use “raw” vinegar as a preservative, at least, not in a properly lacto-fermented food.


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You don't use distilled vinegar when making your pickles? Why?
The modern food-processing industry, replaced the traditional nutrient-dense, lactic-acid brine (created from lactic-acid bacteria during fermentation) with dead-nutrition, distilled acetic-acid vinegar. They could not mass-produce pickled-foods, using lacto-fermenting artisan methods, on a large-scale.

Using distilled acetic-acid vinegar for “pickling” can best be described as a killing and embalming process. Distilled vinegar, for example, is an effective household cleaner, weed and plant killer, its pH measuring 0 effectively killing most every microbe – harmful or beneficial – with which it comes into contact.

Using distilled vinegar has absolutely nothing in common with lacto-fermented, vibrant, rich-in-microbes, living foods! Weston A. Price Foundation recommends that distilled products – vinegar or alcohol – should be shunned, and are NOT appropriate in a healthy diet.

That’s not to say that ALL vinegars are unhealthy. Some, like Bragg’s Apple Cider Vinegar (ACV) are properly fermented, not pasteurized, and are considered to be “raw”, loaded with “living nutrition”. Even so, Bragg’s does not have a place in the early stages of lacto-fermentation. For more information on how to use Bragg’s “raw” ACV, read this FAQ
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